Date: 2006-08-31 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyedtigress.livejournal.com
Okay, fascinating. Some intriguing ideas -- it will be interesting to see if the hypotheses stand up to further testing.

One thing, though, and I quote:
"... childhood gender nonconformity, meaning a child whose interests and behaviors are more typical of the opposite sex. Research shows that kids with extreme gender nonconformity usually grow up to be gay."

This part makes me scrunch up my eyebrows a bit. I have always been extremely gender-non-conformist, incredibly non-girlie, even desperately wished I was a boy in childhood. Yet as far as I know, I'm straight. Perhaps I'm an exception that proves the rule .... ? 8/

Date: 2006-08-31 03:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] crwilley.livejournal.com
Ditto. I'm pretty sure I'm straight, but I joke about how I'm going to have to send my daughter to live with my sister-in-law for a month for "girl lessons", because I'm absolutely non-girlie. (On the bright side, Hubby appreciates that this makes me very low-maintenance.)

"Usually" is pretty vague. They also pointed out in the article that some of the findings about gay men don't apply to lesbians, and male sexuality in general seems to work differently from female sexuality.

Date: 2006-08-31 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeyedtigress.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's what I wasn't putting my finger on, thanks! This study is about male homosexuals, even though females are mentioned a couple of times.

Date: 2006-08-31 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bannaoj.livejournal.com
I agree, that it's definitely more about males than females, but the journalist could have made that a little clearer.

As far as the "low-maintenance" stuff, Steve has to put up with me having nuts and bolts and pieces of odds and ends strewn about while I'm building something. On the other hand, I don't ask him to fix the plumbing either cause it's more fun to do it myself.

AJ

Date: 2006-09-02 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com
I totally fail at 'girlie' myself. I'm pathetic when I try. ^_^ (the hair doesn't count, that's a Celt thing!)

Date: 2006-08-31 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nakedkali.livejournal.com
Male homosexuals and female homosexuals are definitely different.

It's been my observation, that because the competition and gamesmanship among women (of all kinds) is so fierce and permanent, that women tend to overestimate the amount of 'girlyness' that they have or don't have depending on their wins and losses, and especially so on their wins and losses either at puberty, or at their 'gel time'. It's not really based on those cognitively-masculine-seeming things that to me really make a good stone butch.

It's also been my observation that women's brains are more flexible in general. I attribute this to your larger corpus callossum. That is to say, men's personalities and all of the individual modules of their brains are strongly fixed by the time they are at their sexual peak, and the same is true of women, *only their peak is much later*. I subscribe to Ms, own hardback copies of Steinem, belong to the National Women's Museum, volunteered for clinic defense for Planned Parenthood etc. But for all this feminist knowledge and my own temperament, a woman younger than 25 is most often still a girl to me. Lesbians fuse earlier than other women, but not as soon as men. I first thought it was because I was looking back at youth and being an old fart. When I see young men over just around 18-21 I am only thinking that they are young and strong and fresh, but not unformed.

This means you-all get more practice at seeing the various parts of 'you' as they come together and gel. It's your makeup for only suffering the same shit men suffer everyday from testosterone during the few days of your antiperiod. This is a roundabout way of saying, for all you straightgirls out there: Ya probably ain't as butch as you think y'all are.



Date: 2006-09-02 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com
I thought the 'younger brothers, only if right-handed, during the third full moon...' part was really neat. It'd be fun to see harder numbers on that.

And then it hit me - ow! During the feudal period, younger sons often went into the (Catholic) priesthood, especially if the family inheritance was less likely to support them. The jokes and stuff really do have a basis! (Doesn't explain the recent rash of uncovered pædophilia, of course; that's a disorder, not a gender.)

Date: 2006-08-31 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kit-the-brave.livejournal.com
That's fascinating - thanks for linking to it!

Date: 2006-09-02 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com
It's a little old, but when ya trip over things, ya trip over things.

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